Curse

mrvrod · Jan 14, 2008, 05:08 PM // 17:08

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Originally Posted by Mickey

I keep hearing the term "lying" pop up here. If Anet holds the cards to unban us, why would be lie to a forum? It's not like Gaile comes, hour after hour, to look at this thread, and read our stories. Or that appealing to the GWG community is going to help us get our accounts back or contact Anet.

I'm really not trying to step on toes here, or be pious. I'm a human being which means I'm flawed and have made mistakes. Hell I wish my only mistakes were made in a game and not real life.

What i was trying to say is one side is not being totally honest about the facts, a-net is saying specifically that nobody who went there a few times and profited or once and profited or once and didn't profit, were ever banned. You and several others are saying you went there a few times only, or once only and are part of the 117. By definition, someone here is lying.

I'm saying you have more to gain here by minimizing what you did, than Gaile has for misrepresenting who was banned. This is in no way a statement that you did lie, only that I would tend to believe you would before she would.

Trub · Jan 14, 2008, 05:08 PM // 17:08

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If there really are people in the banned 117, who used this exploit 4 or less times total, without chat logs proving they KNEW it was an exploit, or especially if there are members of the 117 who went ONCE and left immediately when they figured out what was going on, then I for one would DEMAND that a-net IMMEDIATELY re-instate them.

Any greater use of the exploit than stated above and you get no sympathy from me.

In any other situation, I would tend to agree with you.
But, the fact remains...it was a secret for way to long.
(Please don't get into the whole "ANet knew about the GH bug over 6 months ago.)
Just because a guild leader, or friend drags you somewhere you have never seen before...The questions would be flying out of my mouth!!
"WHOA..this is kewl!!..what mission post is THIS? Where's my storage???"
"Why don't you want me to tell everyone on Guru about this rocking place?"
"What do you mean it's a secret?"
"You got HOW many gems last run?"
"Don't we have to talk to that snake guy again?"
"Who are those other guilds in here?"
"What..no bots anywhere in here??"

high priestess anya · Jan 14, 2008, 05:09 PM // 17:09

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Originally Posted by garethporlest18

EDIT: To Dragon (above): I know why you're so riled up, I would be too. Because it would be a big waste of my time, cause I haven't been playing for fun the whole time I've been playing Guild Wars (that's another issue though). The thing is though, whether willing or unwillingly you broke the rules of conduct when you set foot in that place. When you agreed to the terms of service, you gave up your money and your game character's lives to Anet. They can do whatever they want with you no matter how unfair it is. And yes that sucks. Anet has been quite lenient with others that broke rules in the past, this time was for a little more large scale reason. Treat it as losing a loved one. Yeah I know this is a game and losing a loved one is a much greater tragedy. But you seem to hold your account close to your heart, and as foolish as it might sound..that's what you're going to have to treat it as unless something new pops up and your account can be resurrected. Oh and just so you don't think I have no sympathy, a lot of posters in this thread made me want to verbally attack them, I held back and they were usually against the banners side.

peace.

let this be a lesson to you...
dont cheat on your lover!!

also quoting the above post...
they arent pleading ignorance no more..your post is invalid
also congratulations to anyone who has read the whole post!! you deserve a max rank for something or other ...lol

Mickey · Jan 14, 2008, 05:11 PM // 17:11

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Originally Posted by Trub

In any other situation, I would tend to agree with you.
But, the fact remains...it was a secret for way to long.
(Please don't get into the whole "ANet knew about the GH bug over 6 months ago.)
Just because a guild leader, or friend drags you somewhere you have never seen before...The questions would be flying out of my mouth!!
"WHOA..this is kewl!!..what mission post is THIS? Where's my storage???"
"Why don't you want me to tell everyone on Guru about this rocking place?"
"What do you mean it's a secret?"
"You got HOW many gems last run?"
"Don't we have to talk to that snake guy again?"
"Who are those other guilds in here?"
"What..no bots anywhere in here??"

You know, the funny thing is, and I should have DEFINITELY caught it, was that there were no guilds in there. At all. For the 2 hours I spent there that one damn night, I never saw anyone else. That should have clicked, but it didn't. I can't say anything else that will help my case, or anyone elses. Its Support's job now.

Oh yeah, I was told that if I saw anyone else in there, I would need to get the hell out. That should have clicked.

mrvrod · Jan 14, 2008, 05:15 PM // 17:15

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Originally Posted by Trub

In any other situation, I would tend to agree with you.
But, the fact remains...it was a secret for way to long.
(Please don't get into the whole "ANet knew about the GH bug over 6 months ago.)
Just because a guild leader, or friend drags you somewhere you have never seen before...The questions would be flying out of my mouth!!
"WHOA..this is kewl!!..what mission post is THIS? Where's my storage???"
"Why don't you want me to tell everyone on Guru about this rocking place?"
"What do you mean it's a secret?"
"You got HOW many gems last run?"
"Don't we have to talk to that snake guy again?"
"Who are those other guilds in here?"
"What..no bots anywhere in here??"

Trust me, I hear you. But with so many hidden, or elite areas that I never knew of and was brought to that were PART of gw, I could seee myself being brought to that post and not immediately knowing it was wrong.

Like you, I would be questioning the sparceness, and then the secrecy, and I'm sure I would have left. If I were suddenly perma-banned for that type of contact with this exploit, I would be having my case heard, in-person, at a-net's headquarters, and NO amount of security could get me to leave until I was reinstated!

That's what I'm saying, if there are members of the 117 in a situation like that, then their ban is an injustice.

Mickey · Jan 14, 2008, 05:16 PM // 17:16

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Originally Posted by garethporlest18

EDIT: To Dragon (above): I know why you're so riled up, I would be too. Because it would be a big waste of my time, cause I haven't been playing for fun the whole time I've been playing Guild Wars (that's another issue though). The thing is though, whether willing or unwillingly you broke the rules of conduct when you set foot in that place. When you agreed to the terms of service, you gave up your money and your game character's lives to Anet. They can do whatever they want with you no matter how unfair it is. And yes that sucks. Anet has been quite lenient with others that broke rules in the past, this time was for a little more large scale reason. Treat it as losing a loved one. Yeah I know this is a game and losing a loved one is a much greater tragedy. But you seem to hold your account close to your heart, and as foolish as it might sound..that's what you're going to have to treat it as unless something new pops up and your account can be resurrected. Oh and just so you don't think I have no sympathy, a lot of posters in this thread made me want to verbally attack them, I held back and they were usually against the banners side.

It's the arrogance that gets me probably, not saying that some of the 117 weren't silly with their excuses but still..civility makes for peace.

Large scale? How? This was 117 people. Duncan had WAY more than that. So did the dupers iirc. People were banned in the duping because they had corrupted armbraces. This was small scale if you look at previous bannings (although there were none for Duncan). If you mean that it was large scale, as in, a big message, then yeah, it really was. I'll tell you, I'm never going to DoA again, you can't make me!

Edit: To Anya, I got the same message, we are continuing to work on your issue. Maybe that's a good thing? I did it 7 times, while you didn't or did do it only once? 1 time was legit, as in, I was actually doing the quest, so I guess it's 6 times, still 2 over the cutoff.

Firebaall · Jan 14, 2008, 05:18 PM // 17:18

Those proclaiming their innocence wouldn't be the first in GW history to lie to get their accounts back. I've seen several instances of people caught lying their way to getting an account back, only to confess later. Pre-searing is full of them.

I suspect Anet was leinent in banning those that got caught and did so to the direct hackers or those that farmed it repeatedly. IMO good ridance.

garethporlest18 · Jan 14, 2008, 05:26 PM // 17:26

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Originally Posted by Mickey

Large scale? How? This was 117 people. Duncan had WAY more than that. So did the dupers iirc. People were banned in the duping because they had corrupted armbraces. This was small scale if you look at previous bannings (although there were none for Duncan). If you mean that it was large scale, as in, a big message, then yeah, it really was. I'll tell you, I'm never going to DoA again, you can't make me!

Edit: To Anya, I got the same message, we are continuing to work on your issue. Maybe that's a good thing? I did it 7 times, while you didn't or did do it only once? 1 time was legit, as in, I was actually doing the quest, so I guess it's 6 times, still 2 over the cutoff.

No when I said large scale (I should have clarified more but didn't want a giant wall of text anymore than I had already) I meant that a hack could have been involved with it and that's why it was more large scale than Duncan. And when I said large scale I meant more serious, rather than a large number of people. I'm tired my brain works only half as good!

Trub · Jan 14, 2008, 05:28 PM // 17:28

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Trust me, I hear you. But with so many hidden, or elite areas that I never knew of and was brought to that were PART of gw, I could seee myself being brought to that post and not immediately knowing it was wrong.

Like you, I would be questioning the sparceness, and then the secrecy, and I'm sure I would have left. If I were suddenly perma-banned for that type of contact with this exploit, I would be having my case heard, in-person, at a-net's headquarters, and NO amount of security could get me to leave until I was reinstated!

That's what I'm saying, if there are members of the 117 in a situation like that, then their ban is an injustice.

Again..I would agree..but:

An Elite area is established for those players that actually completed the requirements..(and DoA IS hard!!)
Folks don't just say:
(Strictly a re enactment..not sure what the heck was going thru any of the 117 minds at that moment.)
"Hey, Mallyx looks kewl..let's gather our buds and kill him!"
"But I don't have enough time to go thru all those areas again!!"
"Pffffttt...we don't have to! You still have your other account parked at the Mallyx party house?"
"Yeah?...so and so said to leave it there today."
"Wewt!! Let's goooooo!!!"
The mission is Elite for a reason..it's a special challenge set for the more experienced players to test their mettle.

I'm sorry, but the "I didn't know it wasn't supposed to be there" isn't a valid defense.
Unless your a new new player, without NF/ YOU know what storyline you have to follow, and you KNOW from reading guru, articles on other sites..and your friends/ guildies what is required to get to a certain area.
I am not trying to be biased against those that were banned..I am just finding alot of difficulty swallowing the reasoning that they feel the ban was unjust?

Remeber..ANet has alot of data to look into...please be patient on your responses that are forthcoming.

high priestess anya · Jan 14, 2008, 05:30 PM // 17:30

ALL BANNED PEOPLE PLEASE READ

IMO to anyone seeking their account back and who hasnt profitted extremely from this exploit then i suggest you bring up the following factors in your defense:
*duncan exploit was extremely similar yet went unpunished
*you didnt see the example made of the dupers
*the bug was unfixed for so long which in turn made you more succeptable
*you was unaware of any hack
*you didnt foresee the global impact on the ingame economy
*jumping on the band wagon to be with friends
*its popularity during the latter stages also had an effect on the plus'-negatives factor
*and explain how you actually felt about what you honestly thought of the exploit
*a formal and sincere apology

only use any of these bullet points if they apply to you. and just pray anet take lenience and slap a hefty ban on you and strip you of all your in game items and titles.
although you did wrong i know some of you didnt hammer this exploit and are still banned..
just my opinion, flame me if necessary but i still feel permaban is wrong

garethporlest18 · Jan 14, 2008, 05:41 PM // 17:41

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Originally Posted by high priestess anya

ALL BANNED PEOPLE PLEASE READ

IMO to anyone seeking their account back and who hasnt profitted extremely from this exploit then i suggest you bring up the following factors in your defense:
*duncan exploit was extremely similar yet went unpunished
*you didnt see the example made of the dupers
*the bug was unfixed for so long which in turn made you more succeptable
*you was unaware of any hack
*jumping on the band wagon to be with friends
*and explain how you actually felt about what you honestly thought of the exploit

I want to bring up the point I have brought up about Duncan in the last couple of posts I made. The reason you got banned for this exploit and the people didn't for Duncan, is because there was (according to Anet) a hack used with this exploit and there wasn't one used with Duncan. I don't know if Anet bans as heavily for bugs exploited in game and I think they're rather nice with that as to give a means to make money a bit easier. But that doesn't mean that they won't start banning for that in the future so heed the warning now, just avoid exploiting bugs at all.

Also the 2nd, 3rd and 5th bullets I would not recommend as they sound like lousy excuses rather than good reasons (no offense at you Anya or anyone else).

Anet probably won't look away your wrongs. But hope that they can look into the past and see that you're good people (some of you I would imagine haven't been temp banned or something in the past) and this was just a mistake this time. It would suck to burn for just that 1 mistake. So best of luck.

Erm quick edit here, In my first paragraph I sounded like I actually KNEW what Anet banned for and I don't, so it's based on my opinion, although it seems logical.

mrvrod · Jan 14, 2008, 05:41 PM // 17:41

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Originally Posted by Trub

Again..I would agree..but:

An Elite area is established for those players that actually completed the requirements..(and DoA IS hard!!)
Folks don't just say:
(Strictly a re enactment..not sure what the heck was going thru any of the 117 minds at that moment.)
"Hey, Mallyx looks kewl..let's gather our buds and kill him!"
"But I don't have enough time to go thru all those areas again!!"
"Pffffttt...we don't have to! You still have your other account parked at the Mallyx party house?"
"Yeah?...so and so said to leave it there today."
"Wewt!! Let's goooooo!!!"
The mission is Elite for a reason..it's a special challenge set for the more experienced players to test their mettle.

I'm sorry, but the "I didn't know it wasn't supposed to be there" isn't a valid defense.
Unless your a new new player, without NF/ YOU know what storyline you have to follow, and you KNOW from reading guru, articles on other sites..and your friends/ guildies what is required to get to a certain area.
I am not trying to be biased against those that were banned..I am just finding alot of difficulty swallowing the reasoning that they feel the ban was unjust?

Remeber..ANet has alot of data to look into...please be patient on your responses that are forthcoming.

Ok now try this one:

Guildie: 'I found this cool new outpost no-one seems to know about yet'
7of117: 'really? cool.'
Guildie: 'Wanna see? It's in NF so I can ferry you.'
7of117: 'Sure, sounds great.'
7of117: 'Ok? Where is everybody?'
Guildie: 'Well, we're technically not supposed to be here.'
Guildie: 'I had to install a 3rd party hack to open this up.'
7of117: 'You what?! Thanks a lot! I'll be leaving now.'

According to a-net, nobody in this type of situation was banned. No one in this situation should be banned. Anyone in this situation who was banned, should be immediately reinstated (and apologized to!).

Fril Estelin · Jan 14, 2008, 05:48 PM // 17:48

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Originally Posted by high priestess anya

ALL BANNED PEOPLE PLEASE READ

IMO to anyone seeking their account back and who hasnt profitted extremely from this exploit then i suggest you bring up the following factors in your defense:

I guess you're not realising what you're doing (or worse, don't care): you're suggesting that people lie about what they knew or did. This would only make the matter worse, much worse. Plus this would render this thread pointless. It's a disrespect for those that trully didn't know and the door open to more bickering.

Honestly, I don't think that this will make a difference. I'm pretty sure that at one point Anet will read it here. And if you go underground, it'll be clear that people are using the same "patern of defense". Your best defense is now sincerity and humility.

Trub · Jan 14, 2008, 05:49 PM // 17:49

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Originally Posted by mrvrod

Ok now try this one:

Guildie: 'I found this cool new outpost no-one seems to know about yet'
7of117: 'really? cool.'
Guildie: 'Wanna see? It's in NF so I can ferry you.'
7of117: 'Sure, sounds great.'
7of117: 'Ok? Where is everybody?'
Guildie: 'Well, we're technically not supposed to be here.'
Guildie: 'I had to install a 3rd party hack to open this up.'
7of117: 'You what?! Thanks a lot! I'll be leaving now.'

According to a-net, nobody in this type of situation was banned. No one in this situation should be banned. Anyone in this situation who was banned, should be immediately reinstated (and apologized to!).

Again..I would agree to most of that analogy..but, it was a secret. Only ONE person that posted on THIS board, actually came forward, and he too confessed to farming it first.
Otherwise, yes yes..I can agree with you.
The logs will be the final proof that the support team needs.
I hope for the ones that were dragged into this...that their responses were true to ANet.

high priestess anya · Jan 14, 2008, 05:51 PM // 17:51

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Originally Posted by garethporlest18

I want to bring up the point I have brought up about Duncan in the last couple of posts I made. The reason you got banned for this exploit and the people didn't for Duncan, is because there was (according to Anet) a hack used with this exploit and there wasn't one used with Duncan. I don't know if Anet bans as heavily for bugs exploited in game and I think they're rather nice with that as to give a means to make money a bit easier. But that doesn't mean that they won't start banning for that in the future so heed the warning now, just avoid exploiting bugs at all.

Also the 2nd, 3rd and 5th bullets I would not recommend as they sound like lousy excuses rather than good reasons (no offense at you Anya or anyone else).

Anet probably won't look away your wrongs. But hope that they can look into the past and see that you're good people (some of you I would imagine haven't been temp banned or something in the past) and this was just a mistake this time. It would suck to burn for just that 1 mistake. So best of luck.

Erm quick edit here, In my first paragraph I sounded like I actually KNEW what Anet banned for and I don't, so it's based on my opinion, although it seems logical.

i understand what you say but atleast it gives these guys hope. and its exactly what i would do if i where them...
although your comment about duncan... all i can say is to everyone who will do this is, please look at all my posts and study the thread thorughly as to be quite honest i think what we discussed about duncan is fairly valid in anyones defense

Master Knightfall · Jan 14, 2008, 05:51 PM // 17:51

Are yall still QQing over this? lol You danced now yah gotta pay the fiddler forever an ever. Well at least with that account you cheated on. Whether you knew it or not you were affiliated with those that did and guilty by association. The verdict is in your honor. GUILTY! as charged. 20 years hard labor at Shawshank.

Let the bull Q's have their way with them. hehe

high priestess anya · Jan 14, 2008, 05:53 PM // 17:53

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

I guess you're not realising what you're doing (or worse, don't care): you're suggesting that people lie about what they knew or did. This would only make the matter worse, much worse. Plus this would render this thread pointless. It's a disrespect for those that trully didn't know and the door open to more bickering.

Honestly, I don't think that this will make a difference. I'm pretty sure that at one point Anet will read it here. And if you go underground, it'll be clear that people are using the same "patern of defense". Your best defense is now sincerity and humility.

i did state that only say these bullet points if they apply to that person. and i dont want these guys to lie, most of them deserve punishment. bare in mind a few of these guys are my friends and i know they only did it one day. these guys deserve to be punished but as i said earlier insta permaban is harsh.
let anet be the judge... i am not trying to break these guys out of jail and i trust anet will do the right thing for each seperate appeal. the fact remains that they have logs of how many times people went to the affected area and that, with this, could possibly make them think about replacing extermination for severe penalty

mrvrod · Jan 14, 2008, 05:54 PM // 17:54

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Originally Posted by high priestess anya

ALL BANNED PEOPLE PLEASE READ

IMO to anyone seeking their account back and who hasnt profitted extremely from this exploit then i suggest you bring up the following factors in your defense:
*duncan exploit was extremely similar yet went unpunished
*you didnt see the example made of the dupers
*the bug was unfixed for so long which in turn made you more succeptable
*you was unaware of any hack
*you didnt foresee the global impact on the ingame economy
*jumping on the band wagon to be with friends
*its popularity during the latter stages also had an effect on the plus'-negatives factor
*and explain how you actually felt about what you honestly thought of the exploit
*a formal and sincere apology

only use any of these bullet points if they apply to you. and just pray anet take lenience and slap a hefty ban on you and strip you of all your in game items and titles.
although you did wrong i know some of you didnt hammer this exploit and are still banned..
just my opinion, flame me if necessary but i still feel permaban is wrong

My honest advice fo those banned would be to stop trying to deflect responsibility. Sincerely apologize, ask for a second chance, and hope for the best.

I know if it was my decision, that would go a lot farther with me than this constant "but it's not my fault!".

garethporlest18 · Jan 14, 2008, 05:56 PM // 17:56

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Originally Posted by high priestess anya

i understand what you say but atleast it gives these guys hope. and its exactly what i would do if i where them...
although your comment about duncan... all i can say is to everyone who will do this is, please look at all my posts and study the thread thorughly as to be quite honest i think what we discussed about duncan is fairly valid in anyones defense

Yeah but the thing that is missing from Duncan is..Anet takes hacks more seriously than bugs that no one has control over except maybe Anet themselves. That alone raises the exploit meter from lets say Duncan was a 3, to about an 8. To use a bad analogy and to get a bit of insight into why Anet takes hacking so seriously (even though I'm sure everyone knows why), hacking their servers is like someone stealing your pants to do explicit things to you. Hence the banning commences, because they feel violated! (so to speak)

Knightfall trolling is not cool.

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Originally Posted by mrvrod

My honest advice fo those banned would be to stop trying to deflect responsibility. Sincerely apologize, ask for a second chance, and hope for the best.

I know if it was my decision, that would go a lot farther with me than this constant "but it's not my fault!".

I agree with this. Don't try to explain why you've done what you done or give excuses as to why you did it, but just come out and say you're sorry for doing it.

Antheus · Jan 14, 2008, 05:57 PM // 17:57

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Originally Posted by Mickey

Tbh, I just want my account back. I bet you a good amount of the 117 feel the exact same way. I just want to go play with my friends again. Just a second chance. Hell, I bet you a good amount of the 117, including me, would wipe any character that benefited of of this. Anything that came from Mallyx, I would wipe. I know how Anet feels right now, they needed to get a message across, and heck, I think they already have, with this whole exploit going onto guru, 100 page long thread. I think people get the idea, exploits are bad, exploiting bugs are bad, hacking is bad.

Most imprisoned people feel the same way.

Let's release them all, let's give them all a second chance.

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I, for one, would do absolutely anything they wanted me to if I could get my account back.

Buy new copy of the game.